ally carter

Monday, September 15, 2008

Times Delay

Hey gang,

As I mentioned a few days ago, my agent recently blogged about "overnight success" and how Love You Kill You hit the Times list almost two years after it was initially released.

Since Kristin's blog, a lot of people have commented with questions about how/why this happened.

There seems to be a misconception that because LYKY hadn't been a bestseller it was, by default, a failure. In truth, it's quite common for a book to sell well--really well--without hitting a major list.

You see, lists are determined by who has had a great week. LYKY was a book that, during its first two years, had a lot of very good weeks--bookstores kept selling out and reordering; the publisher kept going back to print. And, perhaps most importantly, people seemed to be telling their friends.

So it was a success. But it was a success that was certainly flying below the radar (which, I think was the point of Kristin's blog).

It sold well enough that when CROSS MY HEART AND HOPE TO SPY was released in October 2007 enough people were interested in the sequel that it had a "great" week and landed on the Times list.

At the time, LYKY was still doing well, but it wasn't as shiny and new as its baby sister, and that was okay by us.

And then a weird thing happened: in early January I got the call that both LYKY and CMH were going to be on the TIMES list. This absolutely floored me and to this day I still don't know exactly why/how it happened.

But that hasn't kept me from formulating some theories:

1. Holiday gift cards are a very important part of the teen book market. Let's face it, grandparents have no idea what to give the 13-year-old in their life, but they know they approve of reading, and so they give a lot of gift cards for the holidays and, as a result, YA sales in general tend to be very strong in end of December and early January.

And yet, a high tide floats all boats and I honestly don't know why LYKY floated a little higher than it had been. But it did.

Which brings us to...

2. When CMH hit the list it put new attention on the series in general and people wanted to start at the beginning, thus resulting in a new surge of people heading for the paperback.

Which leads us to...

3. With book 2 out and doing well, it stands to reason that both books 1 and 2 would get better placement in stores, included in "Bestseller" displays and ads, etc.


So, in some ways I think a person could say that book 1 hit the list because book 2 was there first. But you could also say that book 2 hit the list because book 1 got people hooked.

It's a chicken and egg thing, I guess, and whenever it comes to the Times list, I don't think anyone every knows ANYTHING for sure.

In the end there are only three things about which I am positive:

--it wasn't from self promotion.

All this time I was home...writing. And if book 3 hits the list it will probably be because people liked book 2 and, in that case, that was time well spent.

--it wasn't overnight.

I firmly believe that this is a business of referrals. Some books may come out and hit the list their first week (all the recent discussion of celebrity books makes for good examples of this), but in the long-run, word-of-mouth determines what you can still find on shelves months or years after a book's initial lay-down.

--all success is relative--especially in this industry.

The unagented just want an agent.

The agented just want to publish something.

The published just want to be published better (better reviews... better store placement... better sales, etc.).

So I can understand how some might say "Well, Ally got Kristin as an agent and Kristin sold her first (published) book (CHEATING AT SOLITAIRE) after it was on submission about a month--she's an overnight success!"

Well...that's true. If you gauge success in the amount of time your agent has to wait for an offer. That, of course, doesn't take into account the ten years I spent writing (really bad) screenplays. Or the still unpublished novel I wrote after that.

It also assumes that having two books on the Times list is where "success" ends. Because, in truth, it doesn't. Or at least for me. There's always some new challenge/goal. And not only that, but new books have to perform at least as well as previous books or else my "success" story of today becomes tomorrow's cautionary tale.

It's all relative. And it's all fleeting. And the only thing that stays the same so far as I can see is that every day my butt has to go in the chair and every day my fingers have to go on the keys and the less I think about the rest of it the more sane I'm able to stay.

Happy writing, everyone!

Ally

20 Comments:

Blogger Natalie Hatch said...

It sounds like 'overnight' is all relative, you can have a virtual overnight success after a few years duration of hard slogging. I'm still in the slogging stage, but it's good to know that eventually it pays off. Now when's GG3 coming out again?

4:46 PM  
Anonymous Cleo said...

well Ally, all I can say is 'Huh'.

4:59 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey Ally,

I think that radar should have been checked.

I know this is extremely random, but do you know who Emily Osment is? Well, I was just looking at her Youtube page and it said that one of her favorite books was LYKY, and it was the first one on the list!!! Ally! That's amazing!!
I just wanted to share that with you. :)

-Kate L. M.

5:57 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

BLISS GOT PUBLISHED *JUMPS UP AND DOWN AND SCREAMS* YAY!!!!!!!!!!

6:30 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What was the "Unpublished" book? Can we see it? Good luch with book three on that pretty list! :)

6:33 PM  
Blogger Carolyn said...

Great story. Enjoy your success, Ally!

7:18 PM  
Blogger Wild About Words said...

Well said! I agree that it's all about daily butt glue and fingers on the keyboard, even the days you don't feel like keeping butt in chair and fingers on the keyboard. Especially on those days!

Congratulations on your wonderful books and the success they/you have achieved.
Donna

7:58 PM  
Blogger angela said...

Seems like "overnight" is a dispensable[<-right term?] word. Maybe for authors "overnight" success could be getting on the Times list after a certain amount of time. month,year.

It's amazing to know that it all pays off though. While your first book may not be widely known at a point it will get popular if its good. Like the GG books definetly are.

8:13 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I remember first seeing your book in a scholastic catolog at school and it looked intersting so when I saw it at the library a few months later I desided to read it and I LOVED it.

11:35 PM  
Blogger Destiny Blaine said...

Hey Ally!

My daughter is heavily involved in volleyball and for anyone who has ever been to an all-weekend volleyball tournament, they know—it consists of a lot of games and a lot of wait-times. Books are everywhere as parents and their daughters wait for their next game.

At the last tournament, I walked around the gym and paid close attention to what other people were reading. The top three authors there were hands down— Ally Carter, Debbie Macomber, and Stephenie Meyer.

Congrats on being hot in my neck of the woods as well as the world over! That ‘overnight success’ thing must’ve worked out pretty great for you. ;))

Hugs,
Destiny

7:26 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

I remember seeing LYKY at the book fair, finishing it, figuring out that the CMH comes out in 2 weeks, then bothering customer service at the book store to death with my incessant questions of, "Do you have the new Ally Carter book yet?" even though I knew it wasn't out yet.

That's why Customer Service at Barnes and Noble doesn't like me.

--Nadia

9:55 AM  
Blogger Jeannie Ruesch said...

I'm an adult, and I love your books. TThey are fun, informative and yes, they will both be on my Christmas list for my teenage niece come Christmastime. Can't wait for the next.

I think that also contributes, IMHO... your books appeal to more than the teenage audience. They are just darn good books.

10:56 AM  
Anonymous Briana said...

well, however they got on the NY Times list, they deserve to be there! i'm just glad they got the recognition they deserved!

and yes, i agree about the word of mouth thing...it's huge among me and my friends. i know several people who read your books because i told them they were good...or because i hog-tied them down and wouldn't release them till they did...^_^

Briana

4:44 PM  
Blogger purplegurple said...

haha well my mom actually found CMH and bought if for me. Except then i realized that oh, it was a sequel. So of course i had to get the first one. I LOVE LOVE LOVE them both. (Though CMH is my fav so far. Zack seems so much hotter then Josh.)

I told all my friends about them too, and now they love them, so that word of mouth thing is definitely a good theory.

6:43 PM  
Blogger cindy said...

thanks, ally. i really enjoyed reading this and kristen's post. congrats to you!

6:07 PM  
Blogger Melissa Walker said...

Ally, this is great advice. Writing keeps the needling insanity about "how's my book doing?!" away.

BTW, did you know that we share a cover model? Fun!

11:24 PM  
Blogger Kat said...

The reason that both books got on the TIMES list was because they're both AWESOME, duh. And GG3 will be too.=D How I discovered LYKY, was one of my friends seen it and thought the title sounded interesting so she bought it and read it then told me I just had to read it because it was the best book she'd ever read. So I told her I'd read it and I did and I loved more than she did. So when CMH came out, of course I had to buy it even though my mom flipped because I spent all my money on a book. But obviously she doesn't know how good the books are and didn't really realize that I just had to have those books or I was going to go crazy. So yeah, that's how it turned out for me.(=D

10:48 PM  
Anonymous Priscilla Sena said...

You know... I have one of the answers to your questions. See... my mom knows that I love reading books (I was 12 at the time) and she took me to Borders for a "shopping spree" and she started picking up books she thought I'd be interested in. Well, she picked up Cross my Heart and Hope to Spy and I loved the cover of it, (thinking it was really cool and creative with the title) and I read the back of it... which was intriguing to me. Then, I noticed that it wasn't the first book in the series, so I went back and found the first one, and my mom was nice enough to let me have both! Then I went home, read the first one, did a major book project on it, (with a website - priscillasena.com) that also advertised the second book. I hadn't even read the second book, but I knew it would be good and I was dying to read it. Therefore, I believe people in my class bought the first book and then remembered there was a second one, and got that one too! (But I bought mine in between the summer and late september because we had an early summer reading project) So anyways, I hope that answers why they were both becoming very popular... okay, bye!

-priscilla, 13 and a half

9:58 AM  
Anonymous Libby said...

Hey Ally,

I'm on your second book, Cross My Heart and Hope to Spy. I've only the read the first page so I better get reading. Is I'd Tell You I Love You But Then I'd Have to Kill You going to be a movie? Can u please give me a hint on what the title to the third book will be? PLEASE!!!!????


~ Libby age 11

5:00 PM  
Anonymous Devin said...

You know, what I've noticed with my friends is that if you have a really pretty book cover then well they'll pick it up and read it. If you don't have a pretty cover for your book then, well why waste their time?

-Devin

3:24 PM  

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